russian aiders

[Adam]

anyone ever use em? how ya like em?

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/threa ... _id=495312

[chossmonkey]

I've never used them. For the normal user, with all the extra hooks, loops and skinny cords to tangle, the slight added benefits don't seem like they would be worth the extra added cluster frig.

I'm a huge fan of these

[Adam]

after reading that it seems that they're better in many cases just b/c it is that much easier to stand tall in them. you can't get the same reach as you can with reg aiders, but you can easily get into equivalent to second step each time.

and from reading that, it sounds like there is less flustercuck than with reg aiders... the aid tree (slings with rings on them) are very much not bulky and result in less cluster than regs... i'd like to compare them sometime but that would mean more aid climbing lol

[chossmonkey]

Less bulk would be nice, but the narrowness seems like they would be more tangle prone. Not to mention the hooks. Difficult to say without actually trying them though.

I don't aid that much either and when I do it usually while bolting really steep rock, so those really don't have much appeal, which could make me feel like they wouldn't be worth it.

Might be tough to get you hands on a set regardless.

[Adam]

by the sounds of it, these are actually better for steep rock... u can stand tall easier than with aid ladders.