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mick wrote:I agree that the above sample letter is a bit lacking. I will be writing my own rather than simply forwarding that one. That said, it's better than nothing for those who might not have the ambition to research the issue, yet still wish to support it and seems to be the official response of the Ontario Access Coalition.
mick wrote:I agree that the above sample letter is a bit lacking. I will be writing my own rather than simply forwarding that one. That said, it's better than nothing for those who might not have the ambition to research the issue, yet still wish to support it and seems to be the official response of the Ontario Access Coalition.
I am interested in reading the pdf you found, please post a link or email it to me at micklevin@gmail.com. Also, I looked for "McMillan, M.A. & Larson, D.W. (2002). Effects of Rock Climbing on the Vegetation of the Niagara Escarpment in Southern Ontario, Canada. Conservation Biology, 16(2), 389-398." and was unable to find a free copy online. Perhaps I will check at my school's university archives. If you find that, I'd be interested too.
cheers
mick
granite_grrl wrote:mick wrote:I agree that the above sample letter is a bit lacking. I will be writing my own rather than simply forwarding that one. That said, it's better than nothing for those who might not have the ambition to research the issue, yet still wish to support it and seems to be the official response of the Ontario Access Coalition.
I am interested in reading the pdf you found, please post a link or email it to me at micklevin@gmail.com. Also, I looked for "McMillan, M.A. & Larson, D.W. (2002). Effects of Rock Climbing on the Vegetation of the Niagara Escarpment in Southern Ontario, Canada. Conservation Biology, 16(2), 389-398." and was unable to find a free copy online. Perhaps I will check at my school's university archives. If you find that, I'd be interested too.
cheers
mick
Parts of this paper have been discussed on RC.com and the ACC Toronto section newsletter. If I recal the end result was climbers like to climb on vertical to overhanging rock that doesn't start with much in the way of vegitation in the first place (and to add anchors at the top of certain routes to prevent cliff edge erosion). I think McMillan used to post a lot on RC.com under ecocliffchick. I haven't seen her for quite a while.
Much in the same way boulderers like overhanging rock where little to no vegitation tends to grow. The vegitation can keep the slabby, dirty rock.
*Chris* wrote:granite_grrl wrote:mick wrote:I agree that the above sample letter is a bit lacking. I will be writing my own rather than simply forwarding that one. That said, it's better than nothing for those who might not have the ambition to research the issue, yet still wish to support it and seems to be the official response of the Ontario Access Coalition.
I am interested in reading the pdf you found, please post a link or email it to me at micklevin@gmail.com. Also, I looked for "McMillan, M.A. & Larson, D.W. (2002). Effects of Rock Climbing on the Vegetation of the Niagara Escarpment in Southern Ontario, Canada. Conservation Biology, 16(2), 389-398." and was unable to find a free copy online. Perhaps I will check at my school's university archives. If you find that, I'd be interested too.
cheers
mick
Parts of this paper have been discussed on RC.com and the ACC Toronto section newsletter. If I recal the end result was climbers like to climb on vertical to overhanging rock that doesn't start with much in the way of vegitation in the first place (and to add anchors at the top of certain routes to prevent cliff edge erosion). I think McMillan used to post a lot on RC.com under ecocliffchick. I haven't seen her for quite a while.
Much in the same way boulderers like overhanging rock where little to no vegitation tends to grow. The vegitation can keep the slabby, dirty rock.
Perhaps... I think she's got several papers. In this particular paper (focus on moderate 5.7-5.9 routes), her conclusions are that there is a clear reduction in species abundances, species go missing on well-travelled areas, and the remaining community composition is changed considerably. Her recommendation to managers is again to place a halt on new route developement... and she clearly recommends against banning existing access. The damage having already been done.
Fred wrote:quite the name wha!!
Thanks for the reference. I just got done reading the Kuntz and Larson (2006) paper and found it quite interesting. I'm a little weary of their sample design limiting it to routes > 5.10 and >= vertical. I highly doubt that their results are valid beyond those specific circumstances. Certainly we've got loads of moderate trad potential here for future route developement on granite... and it would make an excellent oppertunity for future study. At least they do a good job of limiting the application of their results to other areas. If anyone wants the full-text article, just message or email or pm me.granite_grrl wrote:Okay, aparently I was remembering things wrong. Except her user name on RC.com, that let me track down the right story. Oh, and it was talked about in Gripped sometime in the spring/summer of '06 I think, that's where I remember reading about it originaly.
Her name is Kathryn Kuntz, her paper was originally to refute the findings of the 2002 paper in terms of actual climbing routes.
This is her abstract:
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~umatthes/CERG/abstracts/Kuntz2.htm
And this is her talking about her paper on RC.com not long after:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=1324229;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;
Unfortunally she said her paper wasn't avalible online, but maybe you can search through someone's older Gripped magazines and find the article in there. I'm sure I have that particular magazine at home or I'd never have remembered the article in the first place.
peter wrote:An article in today's Globe and Mail on this topic may be found at:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... eMain/home
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