Maxim rope recall, Apogee 9.1mm & 9.5 Pinnacle

[chossmonkey]

http://www.neropes.com/maxim/recall/


http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08346.html

[Adam]

ouch. that'll hurt reputation.

[chossmonkey]

I don't think any have actually broke yet. Or fallen apart for that matter.

[Fred]

yikes! That doesn't go well with what I already know happened to my Maxime Glider. Leaves a bit of "CCH Alien" confidence in the air.

[PeterA]

Hey Fred, out of curiosity, what happened to your glider? Thats one of the ropes we use

-PJ

[Fred]

it got shredded on the lip of gumby in a single fall

no let me rephrase that... the sheath zippered open about 6ft long. Very weird sheath failure.

I loved the rope before that. It was one of the best I'd ever used. Still the best feeling rope IMO.

[chossmonkey]

Does Maxim make ropes for Petzl?



To keep things in perspective, most manufactures will have bad product and recalls at some point. How they deal with the bad product is what sets them all apart.

[Burley]

1. Aliens are awesome (apart from the falling apart). They fit in places nothing else will and I find the flex in the stem really reduces the walking. I've fallen on my yellow a couple times and it didn't kill me and I've aided with the others... still alive. I wish they gave you (and me) the confidence a BD does, but I'll still use them.

2. I read a report (so this could be wrong) and the only recorded modern rope failure was due to contact with an acid or base. Report was from from some guide association in Europe? Two occurances I think. Look where you put your rope - trunk of car or in pack with drill. No recorded faiures from a sharp edge. Again this may not be accurate. Hopefully Maxium doesn't help change this stat, but really... who falls over a sharp edge 5 times?

[chossmonkey]

2. I read a report (so this could be wrong) and the only recorded modern rope failure was due to contact with an acid or base. Report was from from some guide association in Europe? Two occurances I think. Look where you put your rope - trunk of car or in pack with drill. No recorded faiures from a sharp edge. Again this may not be accurate. Hopefully Maxium doesn't help change this stat, but really... who falls over a sharp edge 5 times?

I think you are confusing ropes just breaking with ropes being cut. Ropes just breaking doesn't happen unless they are exposed to harsh chemicals. Ropes cutting while not frequent does happen. http://www.climbeasterncanada.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4518

Sheathing of ropes, like what happened to Fred's happens more often than most of us would like to know. Usually it happens when it gets loaded over a sharp edge. See "Testing a worn biner".

[martha]

We've seen two ropes have their sheaths shread. In St. Andrews about 4 years ago I had to stop Fred on a lead and get him to lower off.. only once on the ground did I show him the 6 inch section of core hanging from the rope about 10M from the tie in point. It happened quickly, as we check our ropes every time we climb when we flake them into the bag. the shred on Gumby was pretty scary too.. one TR fall in that place and that was it. Yikes! Lovely rope though, except that part!

[Burley]

No, I'm not confused. As I stated... info could have been incorrect.

But seriously... if you're going to climb with gear like that biner (or maybe my Aliens) you deserve to be removed from the gene pool.

I think what I should have added was "deaths" caused by cutting or breaking of ropes in normal climbing conditions... that is to say the rope is totally severed and not by people clipping into razor blades.

The Dan O thing doesn't count in this one... that was nylon on nylon melting (I think).

[Fred]

Martha: the St-Andrews rope shred fiasco is our fault not the rope. It's like an old pair of jeans. Once the knee shows some fluffy fatigue, by the end of the day you have a gapping hole in your pants. We should have retired the rope before it got to that point.

The Maxime glider on gumby was spanking new however. If you saw the way the sheath shreaded you wouldn't say it's a comon shred. I know what they look like and this was not it. If you've held a Maxime glider rope before you'll know that it has a special weave. I'm convinced this led to a weak zipper effect.

[chossmonkey]

The Maxime glider on gumby was spanking new however. If you saw the way the sheath shreaded you wouldn't say it's a comon shred. I know what they look like and this was not it. If you've held a Maxime glider rope before you'll know that it has a special weave. I'm convinced this led to a weak zipper effect.

Did you take it back?

[martha]

Martha: the St-Andrews rope shred fiasco is our fault not the rope. It's like an old pair of jeans. Once the knee shows some fluffy fatigue, by the end of the day you have a gapping hole in your pants. We should have retired the rope before it got to that point.

The Maxime glider on gumby was spanking new however. If you saw the way the sheath shreaded you wouldn't say it's a comon shred. I know what they look like and this was not it. If you've held a Maxime glider rope before you'll know that it has a special weave. I'm convinced this led to a weak zipper effect.

Yes, I know that the rope in St. andrews was worn, it went from 'fuzzy and fat' to shredded in an instant.... but the jeans analogy works well.

[Adam]

can't say i'm impressed with how they're dealing with this recall, it being 'voluntary' and all. they should just replace all of em.

if you don't send yours back and it fails, who's fault is that? we're not supposed to be the experts on rope durability etc. they should not make it voluntary IMHO. not when peoples lives are at stake.

[*Chris*]

yep... I've had a new rope get cut... stuff happens.

...and correct me if I'm wrong... but doesn't 'voluntary' refer to the fact that the manufacturer volenteered to recall their product, rather than being forced to? I don't think it has anything to do with whether the consumer chooses to act on it. Maybe I'm crazy... maybe I want to keep my "death rope... the rope that almost kills people".

[Adam]

oh is that what it means?

i dunno. hohp your write. me smrt.

[*Chris*]

I think your joke flew right over my head. oops.

[granite_grrl]

Out of curiosity, those of you who have had core shots/sheath shreaded what were diameters of the ropes and what was the extent of the damage?

We were using one half of our double ropes a couple years ago as a tag line on Devils Tower. It was in use when rapped to clean a new line. Stupid I know to use that rope, they're not ment to take that kind of abuse. We ended up with a small core shot. The rope was a 8.4mm Bluewater Excellence.

[*Chris*]

Out of curiosity, those of you who have had core shots/sheath shreaded what were diameters of the ropes and what was the extent of the damage?.

Mine was an Edelrid Skypilot 10.3 mm. The damage looked something like this:

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[Fred]

Martha: my point was that you brought apples to a discussion about oranges.