im so sorry lourd fred and queen martha

[joysquirts]

how dare i post my opinion the king and queen have spoken. untill this time i dont think i have felt dislike to a member of the local climbing community, OH wate, i guess your not local at all are you, but your stil the king and queen able to edit the voice of the climbing community in eastern canad at the press of a button. serius issues need to be talked about ppl NEED to understand, this is the talk in the crag is frustration and this is the only place we can state our peace.

i think this climbing forum is a positive stone in the climbing communty but you keep flexing your rite as its creator and your kingdom will fall.

[visitor]

First thing... GROW UP!

Second thing... if you're soo frustrated with this forum or it's admins, there's a lot of internet space for you to start your own.

[Ken P]

[quote="visitor"]First thing... GROW UP!

Second thing... if you're [b]soo[/b] frustrated with this forum or it's admins, there's a lot of internet space for you to start your own.[/quote]

Exactly!

[joysquirts]

hey ken P im not goin anyweres buddy my roots are well withing the climbing community, and you will have to deal with my opinion at times
at least wile im growing up.

[Ken P]

Cheers

[dr. dre]

i'm with joysquirts..
even though i don't live there anymore... the issue has a right to be discussed..

not necessarily directed at martha and fred - but all those who don't want questions asked.

"do it cause i sd so... "

d

[joysquirts]

your right dr. dre i souldent have stabed at the king and queen it was wrong and i know it but im still fumming. that he removed my post, witch dident directly mention the events in play it was a post to the community as a hole and it was stayted at the top in my opinion. so this is why im so mad and still mad.

[chameleon]

The King and Queen are just fulfilling their roles as site administrators, from their palace in New Brunswick (where the monarchy lives in exile from their loyal and loving subjects here in Nova Scotia ). A little high and mighty with the thread locking etc but I guess they're keepin' things safe for the plebs (maybe not keeping it real, but keeping it safe!?!).

I would agree with the happy squirter and c-stamp: the locking and message deletion does suck. And I think CNS is sucking right now in how they've handled things. I haven't read everything in detail (I guess you have to be quick before they get deleted), but it seems there's an issue with dogs going to Dover---no dogs allowed. Furthermore, the almighty CNS has declared that there will be no justification or discussion on the matter. Maybe the decision is not up for discussion as it has been requested by the owner of the land - but that is no reason not to explain the issue. Except for maybe Sean T (ha! ) most climbers I know are reasonable. If the justification for no dogs is reasonable, we'll accept it...if it's not reasonable, we'll discuss it...that's what people do.

Is CNS really acting in our best interests here, or are they power-tripping? Give us some facts, dawgs.

Thanks.
Sean C.

ps. Growing up is for chumps

[The Mitt]

Hey guys,
As one of the moderators for the NS portion of this site I agree that the discussion should have been left open. We are currently discussing it in the moderator’s forum, peacefully. I urge that everyone realize that there are 2 separate issues here and that the anger from one should not spill over to the other. Moderation has been an ongoing issue here and I am sure it will be in time to come, we are discussing and trying to find a middle road.

I also ask that everyone please follow the current restrictions of dogs on Dover. I also ask that people handle this in a manner that respects everyone involved. We have gotten to know and respect some of the "owners" and they read this site from time to time. Spewing hate for them or CNS who is just passing the info is pointless. (yes I know I am guilty of not handling some issues as well in the past either)

I am sure that all the info from why the restrictions are now in place will come forward and most will agree that the unfortunate event has cause repercussions for all of us. In the end someone will state that we are all getting punished for one asshat and the short answer to that would be yes and if I was one of the owners I would do the same.

I hope this helps the situation more than hurting

Cheers
Mitt

[*Chris*]

Here's an idea...

To whomever was involved in the incident why not just fess-up and let the community know what went down. As it stands now, it seems to me as if you're putting the site admin and the CNS exec in a very difficult position. You may as well tell your end of the storey before it inevitably becomes public knowledge anyway. Log in as a guest if you must but it's time to man-up!

(sorry... can't think of a good, gender-neutral way to state that)

[joysquirts]

theres no need for the person involved to worrie about anything what happend was an axident and nor them or there dog should be responsable or feel guilty for what happend, the community would never hold something like this agains someone, that is not the problem, not the WHO. its the WHY. the point is the community has the right to have it explaind to them like adults. i know this is a small issue and in reality its an esay explanation, the the problem is we havent gotten it honestly, and its not a good sine, when theres a large issue will CNS brush the communithy away from the details? its not a good start to a good relationship between CNS and the majority community. we are all one body and i shouldent have to call member to get the scoop on something that everyone has the right to know about.

[joysquirts]

this post really should have ended after cameleon and the mitt, there posts said it all

[Scooter]

I have no idea what the details are surrounding this issue.
But, are we even sure there was an accident? What if the locals just don't want dogs on the island? We are climbing on Dover as a privelege, not a right.

The 'owners' don't want dogs on the island, maybe to prevent an issue that might arise in the future, such as: digging up grass, tramping on wildlife, or doggy doo all over the place. I don't think it really matters. Maybe our TRANSPORTATION just does not want dogs in the boat, period.

I don't think anybody is 100% clear what is 'issue' is. CNS is forwarding the request of the locals to the climbing community to ensure tht the relationship between the locals and the climbing community is not compromised when someone tries to bring a dog onto the boat.

I don't want to get involved or start any hard feelings but I think that as of now all we can do is respect the requests of the locals.

The climbing community is lucky that all the locals ask is no dogs. They could easily not provide transportation to dover at any time, they could easily stop bringing us firewood and mackerel during boulderfest and they could easily not let us park our cars on their lawns.

[Scooter]

I have no idea what the details are surrounding this issue.
But, are we even sure there was an accident? What if the locals just don't want dogs on the island? We are climbing on Dover as a privelege, not a right.

The 'owners' don't want dogs on the island, maybe to prevent an issue that might arise in the future, such as: digging up grass, tramping on wildlife, or doggy doo all over the place. I don't think it really matters. Maybe our TRANSPORTATION just does not want dogs in the boat, period.

I don't think anybody is 100% clear what is 'issue' is. CNS is forwarding the request of the locals to the climbing community to ensure tht the relationship between the locals and the climbing community is not compromised when someone tries to bring a dog onto the boat.

I don't want to get involved or start any hard feelings but I think that as of now all we can do is respect the requests of the locals.

The climbing community is lucky that all the locals ask is no dogs. They could easily not provide transportation to dover at any time, they could easily stop bringing us firewood and mackerel during boulderfest and they could easily not let us park our cars on their lawns.

[joysquirts]

come on now were not stupid. do you realy not know or are you trying to dismiss it still...

[joysquirts]

CNS is like the government, i guess "community" we are on a need to know basis and right now the CNS governs our knowledge and continues to dissmiss our questions with "i dont know" "this is just the way its going to be now" . did a little duck tell you to say this?

[martha]

Hey Joysquirts...

I have NO Moderrator abilities in the Nova Scotia forum. So for the record I did not delete or lock any thread. I simply made a comment. Mine was also deleted.

Cheers.

the queen.

[martha]

Oh and another thing...

The moderating was happening on request by CNS. so please don't shoot the messengers.

I personally think that the issue should be posted. I know the details and if they were spelled out for everyone to read I think that everyone would understand the reaction and request. I also personally think that CNS has not handled this situation very well.

However, I am not on the CNS board anymore and I just take orders from the 'King' on how to Moderate. (lucky for me, this is the only place I take his orders.. )

cheers.

the queen.

[Scooter]

no really i have no idea
all the info i know is from reading these threads

[cstamp]

"We are climbing on Dover as a privelege, not a right."
Until the judges hammer slams it's a right. I don't see the kayakers balking at no dogs or do not trespass signs. NO Dogs is bullpoop. What are you going to do ban hikers that hike by climbing areas with dogs. IF you do not treat dog owner with respect, their not going to respect you. Sending the discussion to an obsolete forum (that was obsolete before it was used) is crap.

Grow up. Is this what you have to say! Your an idiot. grow up is weak. What does it even mean? Your a cliche.

And I think no children should be allowed to be at dover. Children and Dogs have the same iq and get in the way. I even gave reasons for my belligerent opinions.
This topic is over no more discussion. The law is made. what will the compliance rate be??????

As for deleting posts. it looks like joysquirt and i have taken time from our joysquirting to keep this topic alive.

[Zamboni]

Wow, you guys need to settle down, It is I that has been making the requests, not CNS. I hoped that people would be mature enough to read the warning, follow it and move on. I didn't want to go into details because I wanted to respect Norms wishes. Norm has wild birds that he rescued and is raising on his property. They also nest on Dover. One of his ducks were chased down and killed right in front of his eye's. And two birds were killed on the island.

I don't think norm wants to be reminded of the event, so please do not discuss it with him, drop the issue and go climbing.

Conan.

[joysquirts]

thank you conan for the truth, its good that the community knows what really happend, and we can watch out for these little ducks

[The Mitt]

CStamp, Its really easy to see that your pissed and I think you have reason to be. Your opinion was nullified wrongly and is important to the community, CNS, and this board. For that I apologize as a moderator, I will say that Fred locked the topic as asked by a CNS rep. As your guys rep in the moderators I will strive to ensure that moderation takes more of a neutral road. I am sure not all will be happy all the time. Lets face it no one here is doing anything to screw the community, or hurt access. Sometimes when you try to protect people's PRIVILAGES you accidentally step on others rights. I feel this is what happened here. I feel everyone has a right to speak within the TOS, and your original post was within TOS.

I hope I addressed the topic of moderation/censorship for now. As for the access issue I once again appeal to you guys to think about the community and for now not take your dogs to the island. Will this change in the future? I hope so I have a dog as well. I also ask that people not ask for an exception for now. We all know Norm and know he is an outstanding guy please don't cause him anymore heart ache over the issue, for now let sleeping dogs lie If our worst access issue with Dover in 7 years is regarding dogs we are doing well.

Please don't let a communication error on this board cause further access issues in a place that many of us find to be sacred. Be the bigger men/women and deal with this issue with tact.

Mitt
Stuck on a ship in South America

[Scooter]

Stamp is just breathing in too many chemicals at the lab!

aint that right B'ye???????

[cstamp]

From: martha
To: cstamp
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:06 pm
Subject: hey man...chill.
man.. do you know what happend on Dover to make it no dogs?? I would have made the same decision had I been in Norms place. maybe you would have too?

Norm could cut us off entirely from getting on that island just by contacting all the owners. we are damn lucky he realizes it was a mistake by a irresponsible dog owner.

You really need to chill out a bit. if you have a bone to pick, take it up with Conan and Nate and CNS. this is where the issue is.

Cheers man.

Cara

Who is this person?

[mike]

Sorry to hear about the birds.

Sorry to hear about the moderation too.

Bunch of flowery Canadians!

Mike

[mike]

ps- I do support the removal of spam.

I ended up messing up a friends laptop with promises of seeing a Cameron Dias S & M video.