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martha wrote:From what I understand about the circumstances surrounding his death...
pulldown wrote:The story i heard....
PaulB wrote:Osman eventually got caught.
Ken P wrote:Equipment failure or not, it's like having catch with a hand grenade...hot potato, hot potato!
Fred wrote:Ken P wrote:Equipment failure or not, it's like having catch with a hand grenade...hot potato, hot potato!
agreed
the exact point that I was trying to make as well
*snip*Chris Harmston of BD wrote:Conclusions:
What is to be learned from this accident? NEVER LET NYLON SLIDE AGAINST
NYLON! You should already know this.
I also know that Dano's rigging setup was reviewed by more than a couple
of technically competent people. I also know that he tested it multiple
times. I personally do not think that what Dan was doing (when done
properly as he had done on earlier jumps) was any more dangerous than
modern ice climbers doing hard thin ice routes (like in Maple Canyon and
elsewhere), in fact his setup was most likely safer in my personal
opinion. Dan's death was a tragedy and an accident.
Again, this summary is mine personally and not that of Black Diamond.
Ken P wrote:Its all calculated risk, at what point are we crazy?
Jumping from 1100ft.
Chris Harmston of BD wrote:I personally do not think that what Dan was doing (when done properly as he had done on earlier jumps) was any more dangerous than modern ice climbers doing hard thin ice routes (like in Maple Canyon and elsewhere), in fact his setup was most likely safer in my personal opinion.
Fred wrote:Chris Harmston of BD wrote:I personally do not think that what Dan was doing (when done properly as he had done on earlier jumps) was any more dangerous than modern ice climbers doing hard thin ice routes (like in Maple Canyon and elsewhere), in fact his setup was most likely safer in my personal opinion.
I think Chris sums it up nicely, comparing Dan's stunts to thin bold ice routes. Notice he did not say... any more dangerous than traditional rock climbing. Because the reality of it is, it's more comparable to risky thin ice routes. In my opinion, those guys are tempting probabilities as well.
chossmonkey wrote:Regardless, even though either would be suicide for someone who doesn't know what they are doing, both can be relativly safe for someone who is competent.
LT wrote:Gear failure had nothing to do with it.
he changed the direction of the jump plan.
human error
research
mathieu wrote:chossmonkey wrote:Regardless, even though either would be suicide for someone who doesn't know what they are doing, both can be relativly safe for someone who is competent.
I don't think the word "safe" can be used for hard thin ice routes or hard aid or even for that matter x rated trad climb.
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