guidebook debates

[Adam]

says under Icon 5.13c that the ascent is under debate...

who is debating it? i've never heard this...

[Fred]

from Mitch:

Icon ... I believe we linked all the moves, but never sent in one complete go. Some of the moves I recall being insanely hard... We gave it 5.13a? Or harder? I can't remember... It was very hard... the hardest thing we'd done at the time, I'd thought.

Yeah... we had some people ragging on us for giving it a name and a grade without having actually completed it (you can quote me on this, too!) but frankly, for the amount of work we put into it, and how awesome that thing was, we said whatever, we're going to throw this out there. If the grade changes I don't care, but I hope that people will respect the name, consider we felt at the time that it was pretty much the hardest thing in Welsford, by a long shot.. Hence, Icon.

[Adam]

fair enough.... first i'd heard of it.